Episode 146 - BONUS: Tracking Failed Planet X Predictions of Marshall Masters
Recap: Sometimes, things just get to you. A Planet X proponent who has been preaching catastrophe for years, keeps saying the doom will happen in about a year, and yet is objecitvely proven wrong each time, got to me. This episode is a documentation proving that Marshall Masters' Planet X timeline is wrong, that for years he's been saying it's about a year away and will be obvious to everyone, and that his latest statements for December 2017 will just be more of the same: NOTHING.
- Audio Clips Used
- Coast to Coast AM from September 05, 2003 -- Art Bell interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from April 10, 2011 -- Rob Simone interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from April 30, 2012 -- John Wells interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from October 06, 2012 -- George Noory interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from March 18, 2013 -- George Noory interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from August 07, 2013 -- George Noory interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 2013 -- George Noory interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from June 19, 2014 -- George Noory interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from May 21, 2015 -- George Noory interviewing Marshall Masters
- Coast to Coast AM from September 13, 2016 -- George Noory interviewing Marshall Masters
- Relevant Posts on my "Exposing PseudoAstronomy" Blog
Claim: I covered Marshall's claims in much more detail in episode 109. Refer to that episode for details of all the doom and gloom. What this episode is about is a documentation of his verifiably 100% WRONG predictions of when Planet X would be visible over the past 14 years. All of these are from his appearances on the late-night paranormal talk show, "Coast to Coast AM." He was on in 2003, and then every year since 2011. I listened to 14 hours of his appearances, all appearances, except I only have one of his four from 2003.
First up was his claim in August 2003: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 05 September 2003, Hour 1, starting 09:46]
AB: "Something's pointing to September 6 , though, right?"
MM: "Right, now this was a formation that appeared back in 1995, the Titchform(??) formation. And it has, um, it has basically just a chart of our inner solar system, and when you align it, it comes up perfectly with Mars basically being the time measure on the outer ring, and, you know, we sat down, we checked it out ourselves, we vetted his work, and he's on— you know, he's on the money with his times. And what he's showing on the sixth of September is that there's going to be an object that will be between the orbits of Venus and Earth. It'll be on the other side of the sun."
In other words, he was predicting something would happen in just a month. This also sets the tone for at least the next decade in terms of using crop circles as his primary guide, and sets the tone at least through the present about claiming that his object is usually, somehow, just on the other side of the sun which is why you can never see it, while at the same time claiming that he has pictures of it.
Starting in 2011, Marshall started to get on the December 2012 bandwagon: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 10 April 2011, Hour 2, starting 20:39]
"Timing wise, uh, according to the Avebury 2008 formation, which I document in [my book] 'Crossing the Cusp,' uh, we're going to see Planet X in December 2012. And this is also the period of the solar maximum when the sun is forecasted [sic] to be its most violent."
And, just in case that wasn't clear, one minute later he re-iterated December 2012: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 10 April 2011, Hour 2, starting 21:51]
RS: "So when is the return date for Planet X, as you have calculated it?"
MM: "Well, according to the Avebury 2008 formation, it's in early December that we will see it, of 2012."
He was then on twice in 2012 and had completely jumped on the December 21, 2012 date. Here he is in April 2012: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 30 April 2012, Hour 2, starting 10:35]
"The Avebury 2008 formation is telling us that on December 21, 2012, we're going to see a comet-like object and from the northern hemisphere, if you're standing in the fields of Avebury, down— now just wait for sunset, look, you know, 45° right, 45° up – ¡Bing! – it's gonna be there. And when we see it, that's when we know the guacamole hits the fan."
And again, four minutes later: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 30 April 2012, Hour 2, starting 14:50]
"Okay, what we're— what I'm saying is there's a [crop circle] formation's appeared in— in England, in August, it was, uh, in two parts, about the size of, uh, nearly four soccer fields. It says that on December 21, 2012, we're gonna to see what appears to be a— a second sun in the sky and about this time, there is going to be a horrific solar storm, similar— similar perhaps to the one that's portrayed in the movie, "Knowing." And uh, it's going to be devastating for us."
But, in his last interview of 2012 on Coast to Coast, he was already starting to hedge his bets, saying sort of that it would come when it would come, but he still did not back down from the December 21, 2012 date: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 06 October 2012, Hour 2, starting 37:56]
"What the formation shows us is that, uh in December and actually just prior to December 21, 2012, that we will see a comet-like object off to the right of the sun. Upper-right quadrant. About, you know, about 45 out, 45 up."
Interestingly, in his first foray in 2013 AFTER his demonstrably wrong predictions for 2012, he said the he would never ever scare people. This is from March 18, 2013: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 18 March 2013, Hour 2, starting 06:36]
MM: "The thing about Planet X as a topic is that, it doesn't matter if there's, you know, these false events, like I remember back in 2003. Uh, with, uh, Mark Hazelwood, had published a book, 'Blind sighted.' Really stirred up a lot of fear. [...] So we published and we said, 'Not now, it's not that it's not coming, it's just not now.'"
GN: "It's not now. And I think they were talking about May 2003. Weren't they?"
MM: "Yeah! May of 2003, and uh, but what I remember about that – and it really stuck with us – were the letters that we got because people were writing us, because we were publishing on that— I had— I think I had my first article went up [unintelligible] 2002. And we were studying it, and they were coming to us essentially for a second opinion. And the letters were— You could see where someone was really biting their lip and trying to sound rational, and coherent, and calm— The fear and the panic was oozing out of the lines. These were people getting ready to cash out their savings and-and head for the hills!"
GN: "Which they always do when they think there's a catastrophe impending, huh?"
MM: "Some do, some don't! Uh, but a lot of people do, and this was so upsetting for these people that reading these e-mails and responding to them was one of the most depressing times of my life! And I just swore after that I was never going to do anything like that. On the other hand, that doesn't stop me from looking for Planet X."
Of course, he went directly on to repeat all his previous statements documented in episode 109 about how Planet X would cause giant outbursts from the sun, earthquakes, a magnetic pole shift, lots of people dying, volcanoes, meteor impacts, tsunamis, horrible weather, and that in the past it caused Noah's Flood, the Plagues of the Book of Exodus (AKA Moses v Pharaoh), and the sinking of Atlantis. So much for being a kind, gentle, non-scaring people person. He also predicted that it would be visible in just a few months, in this clip 12 minutes after that one I just played. [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 18 March 2013, Hour 2, starting 18:23]
"And right now, they're saying, George, in June of this year, it's visible, to everybody in the northern hemisphere."
He re-iterated that an hour later, going even a bit earlier: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 18 March 2013, Hour 3, starting 15:25]
"If we use the timing, that Zero-Zero Sky View (??) is using, and they're actually making infrared observations of the mini-constellation and the dark star at the center of that constellation, and what they're saying is this summer – mid-summer – it's going to become visible. Which would mean the object that we're looking at would become visible before that, perhaps in May. And, uh, that'll happen!"
And then, two minutes later, he said this little gem: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 18 March 2013, Hour 3, starting 17:54]
"I can't debunk it! Nobody can debunk it!!"
And he doubled-down on Planet X coming in 2013 at the end of the third hour of the program: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 18 March 2013, Hour 3, starting 35:19]
GN: "And-and again, what's the time table?"
MM: "The time table?"
MM: "I think, in terms of what I'm looking at, for me it's always been, you know, for all the years I've been on your show, I've always said the same thing: 2012 is the warm-up band, the headline act is 2013. Whatever's gonna pop, it is gonna pop this year. If nothing happens this year – which would just plum tickle me to death! – then, at that point, we can say, 'Aright, maybe, we, you know, we were lucky, and it's a benign flyby. We've only had a bit of disruption, and we'll get through this, and things are gonna be calm.'"
GN: "At least this time."
MM: "But, on the other hand, it could be, you know, by the time we finish this year, we're going to see all kinds of havoc that's going on!"
Forgive me for pointing this out, but so far, I have literally played for you every single clip from every appearance by Marshall Masters since 2011, plus one in 2003, where he stated any sort of time for his predictions. And, he never EVER mentioned 2013. So that's just a flat-out, unadulterated lie.
And, after he was proven wrong, yet again, in August of 2013, he still was not challenged on his consistent failures and instead just predicted that something would happen later in the year, that we would start to notice solar storms and Earth changes in a few months: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 07 August 2013, Hour 2, starting 16:46]
"The timeline right now is [cough], I would say, uh, late 2013 to early 2014."
For Planet X specifically, he said that we would start to see Planet X in 2015, setting the date almost 1.5 years ahead: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 07 August 2013, Hour 3, starting 24:51]
"What really concerns me is what's going to start happening, I'd say from 2015, on. Uh, this is uh— In 2015, first off, the outer-most orbital, which right now, we're tracking from a volcano at, right, 10,000 feet, uh— That's the whole problem that this stuff hasn't come close enough that's visible below the clouds for the rest of us mundane mortals, if you will. And, so, uh, but in 2015, that object is going to become— that outer-most orbital [unintelligible] the 'Blue Bonnet' that we've been tracking – that's going to become visible below the clouds. We're going to be seeing that."
He also may have finally learned his lesson and expressed his distaste for setting dates: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 07 August 2013, Hour 3, starting 33:45]
"And I'm really loathe to do dates anymore."
He also repeated his sad story from several months earlier about 2003 and people being afraid. George followed up with a question: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 07 August 2013, Hour 3, starting 37:24]
GN: "Well, uh, are we gonna start that again by talking about 2015?" [referring to the fear-mongering frenzy in 2003]
MM: "I, you know, I thing— I think it's a different thing. 2003 was a tempest in a teapot. I think with 2015, I'm not interested in going down the Nancy Lieder path. Uh, my position right now is December 21, 2012— Alright, which was, uh, a media event principally driven by the cable channels."
Clearly, Marshall Masters either has a very selective and poor memory, or he's just an outright liar. I don't think you could have it any other way given the clips I played earlier, for he was all gung-ho for December 2012 until pretty much right after it didn't happen. Claiming less than a year later that the whole time he was saying it was a media event is incredibly dishonest, or his memory is so bad that you should not trust what he says just based on that.
And, just a month later, he was still at it, back to naming dates: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 26 September 2013, Hour 3, starting 32:29]
GN: "What is your time table, Marshall?"
MM: "Time table is, I think by the end of this year, we're— it's— you know, we're seeing it now, the question is, is 'When are people going to start looking?' But we're seeing it now. My concern, because particularly if, and-and your caller, who called about this fireball – I think he's really got the right instinct because we could very well have some impact events that start happening."
His interview in 2014 was in June, when he said: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 19 June 2014, Hour 4, starting 04:44]
"We're fairly convinced that, sometime in 2016, Nibiru is going to be naked-eye visible all around the globe."
Interestingly, in 2015, Marshall did not state, and was not asked, when we would definitely see Planet X. The only reference to a timeline was this: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 21 May 2015, Hour 2, starting 16:28]
GN: "How many times could some of those past people say, 'Hey! It's coming! It's coming!' And then nothing happens."
MM: "Well, you know, I have never, in-in the past, and you can go through my work— We've talked about projections—"
GN: "Yeah, no, this is the most adamant you've ever been."
MM: "This is now, because all of this, all of the trends, all of the empirical data that we have been following, it is happening, and we are in the 11th hour."
Now, to be fair, in the clip I played he said that he always presented his work in terms of projections. I suppose that's true, but he always presented his projections as 100% true and valid and absolutely, 100% what was going to happen. In episode 109, I played for you that clip where he said he was absolutely certain that Planet X was going to swing by very soon (a few years ago), and separately that he was 100% certain it was going to cause catastrophe on Planet Earth. So, forgive me if I don't put much stock in forgiving him for now claiming that his predictions before were just "projections" with the implication that he wasn't sure about them.
And so, while that was the only reference to a specific, observable date or time period, he spent his entire two hours reiterating, yet again, for the Nth time, just restating, over and over, how he was seeing Planet X in all these images and it was going to create havoc and mayhem and catastrophe and only 1 out of every 15 people in the world would survive.
Which brings us to yesterday, or last night, or this morning ... September 13, 2016, when he was on for another two hours. And, he was at it again: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 13 September 2016, Hour 3, starting 05:54]
"What we believe we're going to see between now and the end of the year will be a significant event with loss of life. And what I mean by 'significant' is something that will force mainstream media to cover it honestly."
That exact quote is not 100% clear, but all of the context around it was talking about, quite literally, a biblical tribulation-style event. Such that, yet again, George Noory, the interviewer, exactly 9 minutes later brought up the same thing he has since 2013, asking about the 2003 non-event and giving Marshall an opportunity to reiterate that he would never scare people because that's bad. At 16 minutes into the broadcast: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 13 September 2016, Hour 3, starting 16:11]
MM: "... I couldn't sleep at night."
GN: "Well I mean, aren't we scaring people now, Marshall?"
MM: "No!! I don't think we're scaring people. Not when you can go on YouTube and find [unintelligible] you can look at it yourself, you can go read my article, 'Hellion,' alright? 'Hellion: The Planet X System Observed in Brazil.'"
Right ... you're not scaring people, when you're talking about literally billions of people dying in the next few months and people needing bunkers and you say that people will be literally resorting to cannibalism. And as for the specific timetable for Planet X itself? It's the predictable pattern now, just about a year away: [Clip from Coast to Coast AM, 13 September 2016, Hour 3, starting 16:11]
GN: "Well, when this cluster gets close – and when do you think that would be?"
MM: "I believe that right now we're already starting to have a lot more observations on YouTube. So by the end of the year, that's going to increase dramatically. Ed [Dames, the remote viewer who's been predicting doom for over 20 years] is saying December 2017, we'll see it and when we do it will be the size of the full moon."
It's the same old canard that he's been spinning for at least six years with the exact same language and the exact same certitude. Each time you say it, it sounds so real and so scary.
And, It's okay to be wrong. Scientists are wrong all the time. What's not okay is to keep being wrong and keep spreading fear through being wrong by perpetuating a claim and continuing to move that timeline back to keep the internet web hits coming. It's irresponsible, it's fear-mongering, it's pseudoscientific, and now every time that he's on the show, it's to sell more doom and gloom, and his books.
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Stuart Lyons, CO USA
6:28pm on Sunday, September 25th, 2016
One can also record it from the radio. And I'd be happy to be on Cognitive Dissonance if they'll have me. Listener requests are the way to make that happen.
Marcus Magee Mississippi
12:31pm on Tuesday, September 20th, 2016